And by the way
A general rule of thumb in forums is
"Do not piss off the vets".
Why? The "Vets" or "Grizzled Veterans" as Rask so confidently named it so long ago, are, as the mafia called them, "Made Men". These guys have been around for a long time, and have a certain amount of respect because of the knowledge they pour out.
I'm just telling everyone because there has been many wasted pages of arguments (especially around late July, into August, when the heat gets unbearable)...and by the way, in most cases, people will back the vet over the newbie.