OK now Im putting my moderators hat back on.

I am going to step out of this argument so as not to be bias towards one side or the other.

Philosophically and intellectually I have said all that I am going to. Feel free to attack it (not me) if you feel so inclined, just follow the rules.

We have kept this civilized and no one has lost there tempers so far and that is brilliant as this is a subject people feel passionately about!

However swearing, cursing and flaming generally are the first steps along the path that leads to closed thread vill, wether I agree with what you are saying or not.

Please respect each other opinions wether you agree with them or not.